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May. 20th, 2005

  • 4:36 AM
Bookworms
I'm going to take advantage of this blog for a moment and post some of my thoughts about Episode III. They are not necesarily spoiler-ific, but I'm lj-cutting them, since that is the point.

(Having reread it, maybe it is a bit more spoilerific than I originally intended.)



Total Confession: I haven't seen Episodes I or II since they left theaters, although I did see them both twice.

I seem to recall, though, at least one very strong female character in both films. I remember a Padme (or Amidala) that was willing to get dirty, to fight, to be involved for what she believed in. I remember her carrying a blaster and shooting things.

I equally remember a Leia who did the same thing.

But then this movie comes along, and Padme entire roll for the film is as "Pregnant Lady who Cries A Lot". She stands around for most of the movie, talking about her babies and doing nothing as her life crumbles around her. She just watches, quietly, as the Senate gives full power to the Chancellor. And although she has all these doubts about whats going on, she shares them with no one, talks to no Senators (at least not on screen), and does nothing about her fears. She's completely passive in this movie. Even her daring flight to that planet that I can't remember the name of is simply so that she can be killed by her husband. There's no other real point to it.

She does nothing all movie. Nothing at all. And it makes me very very sad.

But that's not the only part that makes me sad.

Please name me any other female who had a speaking roll in this film.

I'll wait.

You can't, can you?

In reviewing the film in my mind, I can only come up with, at most, five female characters, including Padme. We've got that one person who is with Palpatine but never speaks, who may be female (I was a little unsure), we've got the Queen of Alderan (who is credited merely as that - no name for her), and two Jedis. Both of whom are the only Jedis to die without fighting. The first is a (forgive my spelling) Twileck, who dies before she can even reach for her lightsaber, just as turning around, and the other is a humanoid female on a speeder bike that is taken out without even realizing what is happening.
(In retrospect, Luke's Aunt. Beru? Again, no speaking.)

None of them speak.

I'm not one of those people who goes on and on about "feminist interpretations of movies". But I was really taken aback when I realized how these powerful, brave women were completely ignored. Children were shown fighting and interacting. Women were not.

That was just so... strange to me. I remember loving Leia as a child, and even though I didn't like the first movie at all, and the second movie not much, I liked Amidala. She wasn't just sitting around waiting to be rescued. Neither was Leia.

But that's all she does in this movie.

And that's not even discussing the whole bit where she "doesn't have the will to live" and just lets herself die for no reason. This woman led a group of armed people to reclaim her planet? What, did pregnancy eat her brain?


There are lots of other things I could say about the movie, but I think I shall leave it at that for now. I am eager to hear other opinions, though.

Comments

[info]trahari wrote:
May. 20th, 2005 02:24 pm (UTC)
You're in trouble now!!!

Actually, I haven't seen the movie yet. I'm debating whether or not I'll go to the private showing my work is having, mostly because I am not sure if I could get a ride back to work so that I could take the bus home.
[info]gamerchick wrote:
May. 20th, 2005 04:16 pm (UTC)
Standing ovation for you for this entry. That is totally true, and totally sad, and I applaud you for noticing and pointing it out.
[info]gamerchick wrote:
May. 20th, 2005 06:43 pm (UTC)
Also, do you mind if I quote this in a thread on GCP, just to see if I can get people started discussing this? I'll give you proper credit, of course.
[info]troubleinchina wrote:
May. 20th, 2005 09:05 pm (UTC)
Sure, go ahead. Thanks for asking!
[info]finaira wrote:
May. 20th, 2005 05:59 pm (UTC)
I must say that I didn't really notice that much. This may have been mainly due to my inability to even remember Episode II even though I know that I saw it. And I've seen pregnant women. I could see that happening to Padme mostly based on the knowledge that if she tries anything too risky, the life of her children hand in the balance. That will affect anyone's behaviour. That and when you're that far gone, walking up stairs is a pain, let alone fighting etc.((Also, I doubt the anti-female thing was intentional...especially considering the other five episodes.))

What I noticed in far greater detail was the massive contrast between two tragic heroes. Of course, I have a secret love for all tragic heroes (done properly) and there was beautiful interaction between the two. The premise of two people fighting desperately for what they believe is right when the only variation is that one is unwilling to sacrafice those he cares about and the other believes the greater good overrides all of that.

Of course, I'm insane, so feel free to ignore me.
[info]winterlive wrote:
May. 20th, 2005 06:36 pm (UTC)
True, and so very, very lame. Stupid George Lucas. Where's the Sith QUEEN, dammit?
[info]gailc wrote:
May. 20th, 2005 10:04 pm (UTC)
I'm with you...and what's with this crap she lost her will to live? She obviously didn't even care about her children.

Sure, your hubby has gone to the dark side. Sure you've lost your husband. Well suck it up honey. Your kids need you. Lost the will to live? What's with that crap? Divorce him, mourn, and get your butt in gear for your kids.

Surely in that realm, they have the technology to cure depression? What a slap in the face that is to all women everywhere.

[info]crashusmaximus wrote:
May. 22nd, 2005 04:40 pm (UTC)
Mind you, if you think about it how many female roles could you actively name or list off from the first two movies?
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 22nd, 2005 05:26 pm (UTC)
One, at least. In this one we have nobody.

The thing that bugs me is that in the old movies, Leia remembers her mother as being very sad. That's a perfect tie in to her taking one of the children and hiding somewhere. Having her die was not only a ridiculously stupid plot twist, but it also doesn't fit anywhere near as nicely.
[info]crashusmaximus wrote:
May. 23rd, 2005 12:11 am (UTC)
Well, if we wanted to go ultra nerdy and stretch ourselves out for the plot it could have been leia's connection to the force that would allow her some insight into her late mother.. but then why would Luke (who was born first and who seems to be at least better trained and stronger in the force) have absolutely no memory of any of them whatsoever?

goddamit. this is why being a star wars fan sucks. The plots used to be simple but catchy enough with the old series.

And now there is talk about a fourth Indy Movie. I hope to god spielburg slaps some sense into lucas for that one.

On a sidenote, have any of you heard about Lucas' next project after this one? He was saying he really wanted to do a movie about the Tuskagee Airmen. Now THAT would be neat! :)
[info]finaira wrote:
May. 24th, 2005 07:45 pm (UTC)
Don't forget that Leia was given to adoptive parents. Her memories of her mother 'being sad' could easily have been in relation to her adoptive mother and had nothing to do with her real mother.

Also, having Padme die in the third movie was a great tie in to allowing Darth Sidious to further manipulate poor little Vader into following his plots. Hell, he has nothing left to live for, might as well be evil. If Vader had ever had the chance to find out that his wife was still alive, there would be war between the Sith. Or something.
[info]crashusmaximus wrote:
May. 25th, 2005 01:34 am (UTC)
Or something indeed. Y'know the strange thing about this movie? Everyone basically knew EXACTLY what was going to happen. Its like reading a book you already read the coles notes about. There is absolutely no surprising. That in mind, for so many people to have such a good time seeing it does put into sharp perspective exactly how well the movie really was done.

I mean think about it. What if NO ONE had any idea about the last 3 movies? Wouldnt' that make it at least slightly better?
[info]litui wrote:
May. 26th, 2005 08:49 pm (UTC)
Very observant, random person. I hadn't even thought about this, but you're right... it doesn't really make much sense. I DID notice that the female Jedis didn't even get to fight back and THAT pissed me off (and I'm a guy... I still wanted to see some female Jedis kicking ass).

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