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@ 2008-01-31 18:25:00
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Toronto Opens Black-Focused School

I got another email from my friend, Mark, forwarding me a link with this comment:

The City of Toronto has just decided to open up a “black-focused school.” This school’s main emphasis will be to teach Black History and other things that have a strong appeal to black people.

Some are calling it segregation. Some are calling it a victory for the Black community.

I just want to point out that it will be a public school, and open to people of all races, creeds, and colours.


Toronto trustees vote in favour of black-focused schools





A proposal to create Canada’s first black-focused public school was approved by Toronto District School Board trustees Tuesday night.


They have recommended the creation of an alternative school that features a curriculum and teaching environment oriented around black history and culture.


The vote took place after an evening debate on the controversial proposal, which critics believe is a plan for segregation, while supporters believe it could keep more black students in school.


Trustees heard from a number of delegations including academics, parents, teachers and students.


A presentation was also made by the mother of Jordan Manners, a15-year-old boy shot dead in a Toronto school last May. Loreen Smallstood in opposition to the black school plan, calling it “segregation.”


“This black school thing … it ain’t right,” she told trustees, saying teachers need more help to engage with students in multi-racial classrooms.


Some parents have said they want to try something new because the current system isn’t working. As many as 40 per cent of black students don’t graduate from Toronto high schools.


Angela Wilson is a mother of two who has been at the forefront of a push for Africentric or black-focused schools for years.


“Make our education system better for everybody,” she said.


“It’s not a one size fits all education system. It’s actually working its way to be one size fits few — and the few that are successful do not look like me.”


Trustees were supposed to have discussed a report delivered last week that makes four major recommendations:



  • Open an Africentric alternative school in 2009.

  • Start a three-year pilot program in three other high schools.

  • Work with York University to improve school achievement.

  • Develop a plan to help failing students.


Supporters said those options will keep black students engaged and in school, but opponents said it will lead to greater isolation.


“I just feel being with a mixed group of people is better, you know, you get to learn different cultures, different aspects of different people, the way they live,” said Grade 10 student Terrin Smith-Williams.


Board chair John Campbell sees an Africentric school as just one option for dealing with the problems facing young blacks in Toronto’s education system.


“It should not be viewed as the sole solution to a problem, but should instead be seen as a response to a community request for action,” he said in a news release issued before the vote.





My thoughts:
(anything in italics I took from the article)

- “This black school thing … it ain’t right,” she told trustees, saying teachers need more help to engage with students in multi-racial classrooms. I do definitely agree that there needs to be more work done on getting teachers to engage in multi-racial classrooms, but how long should students have to wait for that to happen?

- I’m not entirely certain what’s wrong with a black-focused classroom. With all due respect, the classroom I went to was white-focused, and it wasn’t like every student in the class was white. White (colonial) history was taught, white (male) artists were taught, the default assumption was white. If a black-focused classroom is a bad idea, why is a white-focused classroom a good one?

- As Mark says, it’s a public school - there’s nothing stopping people from sending their kids there at all. Which doesn’t necessarily follow that that will happen, sadly. I wonder if it will. I wonder if the school will be successful in what it wants to achieve. I really hope there are many news reports on it, because I’d like to follow it and see what happens.

- I have to admit, I went to school in B.C., which meant a lot of East Asian people as opposed to black people. I didn’t see a lot of history focused on the third of the class that wasn’t white. In fact, I have no idea of much of went on in countries outside of Europe during the 20th Century. (My high school history classes were mostly about the 20th Century, and a lot of talking about Germany, which is where my history prof was from.)

- I really just wish we could have properly integrated schools that didn’t act like races other than white (and countries outside of Europe) didn’t exist, but I don’t know how long that would take to fix, and again, how long should students wait?

- I’m certain I’m missing some very important aspects of all of this.

- Actually, now that I think about it, there’s a lot of talk that goes on when there’s a move to segregate “women’s only” transportation (like buses and trains in Japan, for example) about how doing this gives an implication that women who decide not to ride in the women’s only area are indicating that they’re okay with the typical groping and other forms of assault that go on in “regular” train cars. I’m wondering if there’s going to be comments about how “if you want education about black things, go to the black school, you black person!” (which, of course, won’t be that polite) if there are complaints in the other schools. I mean, I never went to school in Toronto, so I don’t know what it’s like there in terms of teaching.

- Arg, can’t something be easy?

What are your thoughts?



Originally published at Feminists Don't Bake Bread. You can comment here or there.




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[info]rosaliesbooks
2008-01-31 09:39 am UTC (link)
As you rightly point out, it's a public school so no-one is forced to go there. As long as they aren't teaching racially inciteful things, it's my humble opinion that it's not a bad thing. There are Catholic schools, Greek Orthodox schools and Buddhist schools, why should there not be a school which focusses on an indigenous culture? We sure focus on ours.

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[info]troubleinchina
2008-01-31 09:44 am UTC (link)
*nodnod* I completely see what you're saying and agree with you. The issue of religious schools receiving government funding is brought up a lot in Canada, though. I wonder if people will protest by pointing that out?

But, again - they're not preventing anyone else from going to the school! There's nothing to indicate that one has to be black to attend. But I understand one does have to be Catholic to attend a Catholic school. (I could be wrong - I don't know much about it, frankly.)

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[info]automaticdoor
2008-01-31 02:06 pm UTC (link)
Well, I attend a Catholic university, and I'm not Catholic (nor Christian), and I have plenty of non-Catholic friends here who went to Catholic high schools. Of course, we're in the US, so YMMV, and some schools might have such requirements.

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[info]qem_chibati
2008-01-31 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Highly encouraged, not compulsory. (no rly) Most Catholic schools will prioritise those who have been baptised Catholic and as a student you will be subjected to mass, so the pool of people willing to be subjected to that is limited - but you don't have to be Catholic or even Christian, although I supposed there would be some leeway on the prioritisation depending on the school.

Aha. Although there is actually evidence that some parents will baptise their kids catholic just to make sure that they can get into a good school. D:

Ze Church does not approve.

I went to a Catholic school, in which there were a *lot* of Christian - other (Maronite I think was the biggest group, followed by Anglican, Uniting Church, Greek Orthodox, and... dunno - this is from memory though, not official statistics), and not religious at all families that attended. I know that there was definitely at least one person of the Islam faith who attended, but that is because of the way I heard the teachers go *facepalm* over the whole spitting of the Eucharist fiasco, not because they were a personal friend or it was widely advertised.

And one of my friends was wiccan at one point, but this should be viewed as a wiccan at one point teenager thing I think.

Also we had a lot of exchange students from Japan - and this sort of proves my point about the encouraged not compulsory.... You know of Sailor moon? Ray - the sailor mars character, is a shinto maiden, who goes to a Catholic school.

As far as I was given to understand, this is not uncommon.

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[info]firynze
2008-01-31 02:17 pm UTC (link)
The Catholic school in my hometown had more Hindus and Jews than Catholics on premises. It simply happened to be the best school in the area, so that's where people sent their kids if they could.

Also, re) the Japan thing - religion in Japan is a little more complicated than religion in the West. There's a saying that holds very true: You're born Shinto, you marry Christian, you die Buddhist. The prevailing theory is that you pick and choose whatever suits you at that moment.

And I learned this while attending a very Protestant school there. So ... yeah. *shrug*

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[info]nickys
2008-01-31 09:44 am UTC (link)
Very tricky.

Ideally black and Asian history would be incorporated in all history classes, not just the mixed race ones.

My mother was an art teacher in a multiracial area of Britain and she certainly included a wide range of cultural influences in her teaching, as did all her colleagues.

Prior to Tony Blair's nonsense about wanting a 'predominantly Christian' culture in schools my kids were coming home singing Hannuka songs as well as Xmas carols in December and they had henna patterns on their hands for Diwali. Unfortunately there's less of that in schools here now, and I really wish there was more.

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[info]troubleinchina
2008-01-31 10:25 am UTC (link)
I wish there had been anything like that when I was in school. I feel a lot of frustration that I have a university-level history degree and know very little about the history of Fist Nations people in Canada, that I look several courses specializing in American history that somehow managed to gloss over anything to do with racial issues, and I have no cultural touch stones other that Christian ones. I had to look Diwali up on the internet, for crying out loud - and most of the East Asian people I went to school with either had come across from India or their parents had.

Don's taking a course right now called "Women in Islam" and the first month has entirely been explaining what Islam is. I can't imagine that being true in a "Women in Christianity" class.

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[info]alya1989262
2008-01-31 12:46 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, okay, in an ideal world, such a school wouldn't exist, because it wouldn't have to! Yes, 'normal' schools should be focusing on Black history more; yes, people shouldn't be segregated. But you know what? It isn't happening! So, time to try something new!

By the way, in the Cairene metro, there are two ladies' compartments. I am thankful for them. Riding in the mens' compartments (well, technically, they're everyone's, not just the men's) isn't going to stop the harassment. Ignoring the problem isn't going to make it go away.

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[info]troubleinchina
2008-01-31 12:49 pm UTC (link)
I agree completely. I wish we lived in that ideal world, but gah, we don't - and I don't think we should all sit around waiting for it to come about!

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[info]looniewolf
2008-01-31 02:53 pm UTC (link)
The U.S. tried that. It didn't work. Why? Because the black schools ended up getting less funding and teachers of lower caliber than the white schools.

This discrimination continues to this day. The majority of black children grow up in urban settings. Urban schools on average are of poorer quality due to the fact they get less money per student than suburban schools that are predominantly white. The only way to force equality would be political suicide: pooling all of the town and city education financial resources and distributing it evenly to all schools. The more affluent neighborhoods would protest and do everything in their power to get legislators in power to remove that legislation... and return the power of financial discrimination to their pockets.

Sometimes I think what the U.S. needs is a good dictator. I volunteer for the job. :P And I'd unite the country. Everyone would hate me. ^^;;

Hmm... does Canada need a good dictator? ;)

Rob H.

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[info]troubleinchina
2008-01-31 03:34 pm UTC (link)
Are you talking about segregated schools, or public schools with a black focus? There is a difference there.

My understanding in the US is that there were segregated schools that caused problems, as shown in Brown v Board of Education. This wouldn't be a "school for black kids only". It's a public school that has a focus on black history and black culture - that's an entirely different kettle of fish.

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[info]looniewolf
2008-01-31 03:45 pm UTC (link)
I'm talking segregated schools for the U.S.

My thought is: what is the difference when it comes to funding? This is going to be an urban segregated school. It will lack the funding it needs to be a top-notch school. The only real attractor it will have to keep black or other minority students in school is the cultural focus... and that will likely not keep the students dropping out from doing so.

Then again, I am a cynic lately so... ^^;;

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[info]troubleinchina
2008-01-31 03:50 pm UTC (link)
You're talking as though this was a school in the US.

Our public schools don't receive funding the way yours do.

If you said "This school will only be attended by black kids and other minorities, and that is a problem", I could totally agree with that (well, that it's a problem - I want to believe it won't be only attended by black kids, but I'm not that much of an idealist).

But insisting that the school won't receive proper funding as compared to other schools, especially when it's a pilot project that the city of Toronto would want to be a success is making an assumption based on US history. We're not American, even if we do share a big ole Continent with y'all.

I don't think funding will be the problem. People saying "OMG racist against whites!" will be the problem. People using it as an excuse not to improve the curriculum in current schools will be a problem.

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[info]looniewolf
2008-01-31 04:00 pm UTC (link)
Excellent points, Jo. I'm familiar with the U.S. style of funding education (which is badly broken yet no one wants to try and fix). I didn't realize that the Canadian system was significantly different in this regard. Then again, everyone knows Canadians are better than Americans in almost everything. ;) The only people better than Canadians being, naturally enough, Norwegians (and those of us with Norwegian blood). ;)

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[info]troubleinchina
2008-01-31 04:02 pm UTC (link)
I was totally blown away when an American friend of mine said she'd gone to a high school that didn't have accreditation. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE??? How do you have a school so underfunded that graduating from it is a waste of time?

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[info]looniewolf
2008-01-31 04:18 pm UTC (link)
It's not necessarily funding. It can also be due to lack of qualified teachers and students who aren't up to state standards.

Of course, the standards are also screwy here. Under No Child Left Behind, everyone needs to take tests and if schools don't do good enough they lose accreditation. Well... if too many schools in a state are doing poorly, that state also loses funding. The solution?

The state lowers the grade needed to pass the standardized tests.

Doesn't that kind of defeat the whole purpose? oO

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[info]sabotabby
2008-01-31 07:47 pm UTC (link)
My thoughts are here.

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[info]parsimonia
2008-01-31 09:03 pm UTC (link)
I've been going back and forth on this issue. I think the problem with schools and the general curriculum now is twofold:

1) Pretty much all subjects that cover any kind of history (history, obviously, art, English (it always amuses me that although traditional stereotypes say that women are supposed to be the crazy overemotional ones, only a teeny tiny portion of poetry studied in a regular English class is written by women), etc, is while male centric.

In grade 7 our teacher made sure we did Black History Month (we read books like "Roll of Thunder Hear My Cry", and I did a project on Martin Luthor King Jr, etc). But participating that actively in the class room (as opposed to just absorbing info by osmosis from displays up in the library or something) must've been up to the teacher. And the teacher I had wasn't white or male.

Personally, I think the way Canadian history is currently taught sucks big time. We did had history as a focus in Social Studies class in grades 7 and 8, and then in grade 10 (new Ontario curriculum) we had 20th century Canadian history...which basically just covered the early 1900s to WWII. So it was mostly WWI, depression, WWII.

I wish we learned more about the history of women and minorities in our country as a part of the whole of what we learn about the history of Canada, rather than an aside to talk about women's suffrage and Black History Month.

2) I think the other issue at hand is that so often teachers will give up on some of their students right away. It may or not be conscious, maybe it's because they're late, maybe it's because they skip classes, maybe it's because they sit in the back, maybe it's because the teacher makes assumptions about someone's culture or race, maybe it's because of the way they dress or talk, who knows.

But I do remember when I was in grade 10, I had an amazingly awesome teacher, who somehow managed to make the class seem really easy but still made sure we actually learned. There was a fellow student in there, a guy who was in at least one other class of mine. He would often skip and didn't really seemed engaged in the class. But I remember this teacher telling him to make sure he completed an assignment, and another time she was handing him back a test and told him he did a good job and that she expected him to keep that up. His reaction was all embarrassed and pleased and surprised.

That is what all teachers should be like. I think some teachers wind up feeling jaded and cynical about students and figure "if they don't put in the amount of effort, I'm not going out of my way to help them, it's not worth it". And that is just the saddest thing ever.

Issue #1) Probably probably won't be solved without a complete overhaul of academia as it stands now, and then we'd have to wait for it to trickle down into the curriculum (and the curriculum has many other problems as it stands right now, so not much hope there....THANKS MIKE HARRIS! *shakes fist*).

But issue #2) could probably be solved by more emphasis on the issue in teacher's colleges and have some sort of required continuing education thing for current teachers, I suppose.

Another issue with the black-focused schools in Toronto is that they seem to be mostly African-centric, and don't seem to be taking into account there are a lot of black people in Toronto who don't necessarily identify as "African".

I think that probably stems from this projecting being inspired by examples in the US, and the fact that when a Toronto school does Black History Month, it's pretty Americanized. That aspect of American history is very important for everyone to learn IMO, but at the same time it's a shame we don't learn more about the Canadian side of things.

< / long-windedness >

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